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		<title>By: Serenade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serenade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, even inside the game, they use a lot of technical concepts without actually explaining all of it right away, just like they have been doing here on the anime. 

Overall, the reason is quite simple, most of those more detailed explanations have to do with the actual plot and twists of the story, so if Luke doesn’t seem to understand something to well at any given point, it’s likely that the gamer (and now the viewer) at that point has that same vague understanding of it, with just the little information given.

 A clear example of this comes with a better understanding of fomicry (the science of creating a replica, which is pretty much a clone, except that the process can be used for both non-living and living things) and isofons (which are pretty much this world’s variation of real world isotopes), which as someone else already explained, are two things with the same “fonon frecuency” (think of this as two atoms with the same atomic number, that is, the same amount of protons). In the case of these two concepts, they are very related to both the real connection between two characters (which will be revealed not to many episodes from now) and part of the schemes of the “final boss”.

As a little extra explanation about Lorelei and the fonons, since it isn’t really relevant to the plot, I can say that the concept of Lorelei being a collective consciousness is closer to it being some kind of “gaia” (the “soul” of the planet) than to what we have seen on other recent sunrise anime (cough*Jupiter*cough). And besides, while Lorelei has never been “seen” and therefore exist only in theory, the other six embodiments of fonons have all been observed, being pretty much elementals of said fonons. Shadow for the dark fonon, Gnome for earth, Sylph for wind, Undine for water, Efreet for fire and Aska/Luna for light (don’t remember exactly). While they never appear or are relevant to the game, they are actually the summons form other “Tales of” games (with the exception of Lorelei, which is exclusive from this game). 

Also, about the seventh fonon, while it is indeed the element of sound, in-game (both gameplay and story wise) it’s used mainly for healing, with seventh fonist being both rare and for the most part healers, though it may (I suppose) also be used for special attacks. People are born with the capacity to use different fonons, tough their ability to use them must be trained to be effective (the concept is similar to that of using Ki on DB or different Chakras on Naruto), which is why seventh fonists are so rare, as one has to be born with that power. 

As for the party, the seventh fonists are Luke (he never really uses it, although one could say he does use it on his special/magical sword techniques), Tear (healing, and maybe some attacks) and Natalia (healing, and maybe some bow skills), though they do have some skills of other elements; Jade uses all “normal” fonons (except for dark, though he potentially could), Anise uses dark (but not much, as she’s mainly melee, so it may never appear on the anime) and Guy (like Luke) is pure melee, even if some of his attacks do have elemental properties. 

And, that came out much longer than expected, so sorry about it, hope it helps Xd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, even inside the game, they use a lot of technical concepts without actually explaining all of it right away, just like they have been doing here on the anime. </p>
<p>Overall, the reason is quite simple, most of those more detailed explanations have to do with the actual plot and twists of the story, so if Luke doesn’t seem to understand something to well at any given point, it’s likely that the gamer (and now the viewer) at that point has that same vague understanding of it, with just the little information given.</p>
<p> A clear example of this comes with a better understanding of fomicry (the science of creating a replica, which is pretty much a clone, except that the process can be used for both non-living and living things) and isofons (which are pretty much this world’s variation of real world isotopes), which as someone else already explained, are two things with the same “fonon frecuency” (think of this as two atoms with the same atomic number, that is, the same amount of protons). In the case of these two concepts, they are very related to both the real connection between two characters (which will be revealed not to many episodes from now) and part of the schemes of the “final boss”.</p>
<p>As a little extra explanation about Lorelei and the fonons, since it isn’t really relevant to the plot, I can say that the concept of Lorelei being a collective consciousness is closer to it being some kind of “gaia” (the “soul” of the planet) than to what we have seen on other recent sunrise anime (cough*Jupiter*cough). And besides, while Lorelei has never been “seen” and therefore exist only in theory, the other six embodiments of fonons have all been observed, being pretty much elementals of said fonons. Shadow for the dark fonon, Gnome for earth, Sylph for wind, Undine for water, Efreet for fire and Aska/Luna for light (don’t remember exactly). While they never appear or are relevant to the game, they are actually the summons form other “Tales of” games (with the exception of Lorelei, which is exclusive from this game). </p>
<p>Also, about the seventh fonon, while it is indeed the element of sound, in-game (both gameplay and story wise) it’s used mainly for healing, with seventh fonist being both rare and for the most part healers, though it may (I suppose) also be used for special attacks. People are born with the capacity to use different fonons, tough their ability to use them must be trained to be effective (the concept is similar to that of using Ki on DB or different Chakras on Naruto), which is why seventh fonists are so rare, as one has to be born with that power. </p>
<p>As for the party, the seventh fonists are Luke (he never really uses it, although one could say he does use it on his special/magical sword techniques), Tear (healing, and maybe some attacks) and Natalia (healing, and maybe some bow skills), though they do have some skills of other elements; Jade uses all “normal” fonons (except for dark, though he potentially could), Anise uses dark (but not much, as she’s mainly melee, so it may never appear on the anime) and Guy (like Luke) is pure melee, even if some of his attacks do have elemental properties. </p>
<p>And, that came out much longer than expected, so sorry about it, hope it helps Xd</p>
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		<title>By: Zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve played the games a few times over, and the story is still a little vague, to me at least.

Isofons are two existence that have the same frequencies, while replicas aren&#039;t necessarily isofons.

And the seventh fonon is sound, right? And its the basis for all things. 

Hm... hey, it seems like I do have everything figured out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve played the games a few times over, and the story is still a little vague, to me at least.</p>
<p>Isofons are two existence that have the same frequencies, while replicas aren&#8217;t necessarily isofons.</p>
<p>And the seventh fonon is sound, right? And its the basis for all things. </p>
<p>Hm&#8230; hey, it seems like I do have everything figured out.</p>
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		<title>By: Telliamed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Telliamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fomicry&quot; sounds like a word 4chan would invent to describe some despicable weeaboo meme.

And I love these &quot;The prophecy has never been wrong! So let&#039;s do something that we foolishly believe will change the prophecy but is in fact exactly what was predicted thus fulfilling said prophecy.&quot; plots. And by &quot;love&quot; I mean, &quot;hate&quot;.

I also am hating the word &quot;prohpecy&quot; ... damn! did it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fomicry&#8221; sounds like a word 4chan would invent to describe some despicable weeaboo meme.</p>
<p>And I love these &#8220;The prophecy has never been wrong! So let&#8217;s do something that we foolishly believe will change the prophecy but is in fact exactly what was predicted thus fulfilling said prophecy.&#8221; plots. And by &#8220;love&#8221; I mean, &#8220;hate&#8221;.</p>
<p>I also am hating the word &#8220;prohpecy&#8221; &#8230; damn! did it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Axel Daemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel Daemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha, least you have a sense of humor about it XD;  I just wanted to make sure you didn&#039;t misunderstood why that was there heh.

If anything, I think that&#039;s the only direct relation these two would have.  It&#039;s probably a freak coincidence that the two would have something about &quot;collective consciousness&quot;.

I&#039;m not sure if it was this blog, or some other area that mentioned it was thanks to the &quot;Pizza Hut&quot; sponsorships that future shows like this has a nice fat budget to work with, so production values would be good thus far.  That true?

-now I need to catch up with ep. 2 - 5-

One thing I definitely wish for is for this scene to occur is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXCPgOV4BkI&amp;fmt=18 PETAPETAPETAPETA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, least you have a sense of humor about it XD;  I just wanted to make sure you didn&#8217;t misunderstood why that was there heh.</p>
<p>If anything, I think that&#8217;s the only direct relation these two would have.  It&#8217;s probably a freak coincidence that the two would have something about &#8220;collective consciousness&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if it was this blog, or some other area that mentioned it was thanks to the &#8220;Pizza Hut&#8221; sponsorships that future shows like this has a nice fat budget to work with, so production values would be good thus far.  That true?</p>
<p>-now I need to catch up with ep. 2 &#8211; 5-</p>
<p>One thing I definitely wish for is for this scene to occur is this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXCPgOV4BkI&#038;fmt=18" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXCPgOV4BkI&#038;fmt=18</a> PETAPETAPETAPETA.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mauyn Eign:  Okay, that makes sense.  Thanks very much for your input and clarification, you don&#039;t know how much aspirin you&#039;ve spared me in doing this for me.

And it&#039;s okay, you don&#039;t have to worry about overstating too much information, I reckon it&#039;s better to understand it a lot more now than later anyhow, since I&#039;d feel cheated if they went and explained it better later on as opposed to now.  [spoiler]And to be honest, I&#039;ve been spoiled a lot of the important plot twists in the game anyhow, so I know exactly what Luke and Asch&#039;s relationship with each other is.  Even writing with the just these 5 episodes to go by, it&#039;s pretty obvious what the revelation would be if they&#039;d explained isofons the same way you just did.  So no worries. [/spoiler]

@Roy Mustang:  Just know, I put that new poll there just for you![spoiler]I really didn&#039;t, but meh... [/spoiler]

And you&#039;re right, I found the lack of Arietta disturbing.

@Axel Daemon:  Yes, yes, 2005 Game Vs. 2008 Anime, don&#039;t get all panicky.  Sunrise, however, made the decision to pick it up and develop the animation, however, so there!  -500 Points!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mauyn Eign:  Okay, that makes sense.  Thanks very much for your input and clarification, you don&#8217;t know how much aspirin you&#8217;ve spared me in doing this for me.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s okay, you don&#8217;t have to worry about overstating too much information, I reckon it&#8217;s better to understand it a lot more now than later anyhow, since I&#8217;d feel cheated if they went and explained it better later on as opposed to now.  <a href="javascript:void(null);" onclick="s_toggleDisplay(document.getElementById('SID1216971188'), this, 'Show &#9660;', 'Hide &#9650;');">Show &#9660;</a></p>
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And to be honest, I&#8217;ve been spoiled a lot of the important plot twists in the game anyhow, so I know exactly what Luke and Asch&#8217;s relationship with each other is.  Even writing with the just these 5 episodes to go by, it&#8217;s pretty obvious what the revelation would be if they&#8217;d explained isofons the same way you just did.  So no worries.
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<p>@Roy Mustang:  Just know, I put that new poll there just for you!<a href="javascript:void(null);" onclick="s_toggleDisplay(document.getElementById('SID1615041813'), this, 'Show &#9660;', 'Hide &#9650;');">Show &#9660;</a></p>
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I really didn&#8217;t, but meh&#8230;
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<p>And you&#8217;re right, I found the lack of Arietta disturbing.</p>
<p>@Axel Daemon:  Yes, yes, 2005 Game Vs. 2008 Anime, don&#8217;t get all panicky.  Sunrise, however, made the decision to pick it up and develop the animation, however, so there!  -500 Points!</p>
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		<title>By: Axel Daemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel Daemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lorelei is explained to be the theory of the collective consciousness of Seventh Fonon’s (collective consciousness shit AGAIN Sunrise!?)&quot;

Woah woah woah, that was part of the game already, don&#039;t bag on Sunrise for that one lol.  Not to mention it&#039;s not referring to humans specifically also at least.  Least from what I remember playing the game heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lorelei is explained to be the theory of the collective consciousness of Seventh Fonon’s (collective consciousness shit AGAIN Sunrise!?)&#8221;</p>
<p>Woah woah woah, that was part of the game already, don&#8217;t bag on Sunrise for that one lol.  Not to mention it&#8217;s not referring to humans specifically also at least.  Least from what I remember playing the game heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Mustang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Mustang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that respect, I should say I am very disappointed in the loli/ plot ratio in this week&#039;s episode as well as the series in whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that respect, I should say I am very disappointed in the loli/ plot ratio in this week&#8217;s episode as well as the series in whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Mustang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Mustang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to stop blogging the unimportant parts of this show like fonons , the main character, the plot etc and just concentrate on the lolis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to stop blogging the unimportant parts of this show like fonons , the main character, the plot etc and just concentrate on the lolis.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauyn Eign</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauyn Eign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen Shinsen&#039;s sub of this ep, so I&#039;m not too sure how much they cover... sorry if I say something redundant, or reveal too much before I should have... and a DEFINATE sorry for everything I&#039;m about to say. If I sound pedantic, I&#039;m even sorrier. I don&#039;t know when to stop talking. (I&#039;m also one of THOSE people who scour the game libraries for explanations and comes up with their own theories as to what goes on after reading said libraries. Yes. Laugh.)

Fomicry is the usage of seventh fonons (and seventh only, I&#039;ll leave you to wonder what that might mean) to create an exact replica, an exact copy in every way but fonon frequency, of the object being replicated, which can be animate or inanimate. Think of it as cloning, in a way. But [spoiler]actually extracting the data needed to replicate someone can be deadly. Fomicry of living things was banned a while back because of this.[/spoiler] 

The thing about isofons... well they&#039;ve already explained that the seven fonons, vibrating at different frequencies, create all matter. Or something like that. Everything vibrates at a different frequency, a fonon frequency. It&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve seen the actual &#039;scientific&#039; explanations ingame for fomicry, but I think... Isofons are two or more of the exact same thing, I think; so a replica. 

But, the case they talk about here are perfect isofons, which aren&#039;t different from replicas, but actually are a very special type that are extremely rare, and at this point haven&#039;t been created yet (or at least not to anybody&#039;s knowledge).  Perfect isofons are two objects(replica/original) that have the exact same fonon frequency. They CAN be created through fomicry.

...so uh, scientific blather over with, Perfect Isofons are Isofons are Replicas, but not all Isofons/Replicas are Perfect Isofons. Like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn&#039;t a square or something. 

From what I remember, this came up because of Lorelei&#039;s fonon frequency on the disk... They actually do explain more later (be prepared for this, Abyss has a lot of scientific jargon for its world if you haven&#039;t already noticed) [spoiler]and the subject of isofons, replicas, and perfect isofons becomes insanely important later when talking about Luke, Asch, Lorelei, and the multitude of stuff that fomicry does. And other people/things as well...[/spoiler] Fomicry is veeewwwyyyy important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen Shinsen&#8217;s sub of this ep, so I&#8217;m not too sure how much they cover&#8230; sorry if I say something redundant, or reveal too much before I should have&#8230; and a DEFINATE sorry for everything I&#8217;m about to say. If I sound pedantic, I&#8217;m even sorrier. I don&#8217;t know when to stop talking. (I&#8217;m also one of THOSE people who scour the game libraries for explanations and comes up with their own theories as to what goes on after reading said libraries. Yes. Laugh.)</p>
<p>Fomicry is the usage of seventh fonons (and seventh only, I&#8217;ll leave you to wonder what that might mean) to create an exact replica, an exact copy in every way but fonon frequency, of the object being replicated, which can be animate or inanimate. Think of it as cloning, in a way. But <a href="javascript:void(null);" onclick="s_toggleDisplay(document.getElementById('SID1195793675'), this, 'Show &#9660;', 'Hide &#9650;');">Show &#9660;</a></p>
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actually extracting the data needed to replicate someone can be deadly. Fomicry of living things was banned a while back because of this.
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<p>The thing about isofons&#8230; well they&#8217;ve already explained that the seven fonons, vibrating at different frequencies, create all matter. Or something like that. Everything vibrates at a different frequency, a fonon frequency. It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve seen the actual &#8217;scientific&#8217; explanations ingame for fomicry, but I think&#8230; Isofons are two or more of the exact same thing, I think; so a replica. </p>
<p>But, the case they talk about here are perfect isofons, which aren&#8217;t different from replicas, but actually are a very special type that are extremely rare, and at this point haven&#8217;t been created yet (or at least not to anybody&#8217;s knowledge).  Perfect isofons are two objects(replica/original) that have the exact same fonon frequency. They CAN be created through fomicry.</p>
<p>&#8230;so uh, scientific blather over with, Perfect Isofons are Isofons are Replicas, but not all Isofons/Replicas are Perfect Isofons. Like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn&#8217;t a square or something. </p>
<p>From what I remember, this came up because of Lorelei&#8217;s fonon frequency on the disk&#8230; They actually do explain more later (be prepared for this, Abyss has a lot of scientific jargon for its world if you haven&#8217;t already noticed) <a href="javascript:void(null);" onclick="s_toggleDisplay(document.getElementById('SID1402136730'), this, 'Show &#9660;', 'Hide &#9650;');">Show &#9660;</a></p>
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and the subject of isofons, replicas, and perfect isofons becomes insanely important later when talking about Luke, Asch, Lorelei, and the multitude of stuff that fomicry does. And other people/things as well&#8230;
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<p> Fomicry is veeewwwyyyy important.</p>
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