True Tears 09, love is over
March 2nd, 2008 by Shirukii
…damnit
Wow this episode completely shattered everything I could have possibly expected from the end of True Tears. Shin all but explicitly jumps ship to Hiromi, incest is ruled out and Hiromi and Shin’s mom make up, ruining any chance of the bitch getting her comeuppance. Shin going over to Hiromi was something that I expected, but the way it was done wasn’t at all what I had hoped and expected. This blows. It must have been the pinnacle of epic for Hiromi fans though.
Episode Rating: 8/10
A moment’s distraction when a rabbit crosses the road causes Jun to lose control of his motorcycle and crash. Luckily neither he nor Hiromi get hurt, but Jun’s motorcycle ends up a flaming wreck. Hiromi has enough money to pay for taxi fare, but in the middle of nowhere it doesn’t seem like getting one will be an easy task. Luckily, seeing the two earlier, Noe and Shin were on their tail and arrive at the accident site. Noe runs up to hug her brother and Shin…Shin hugs Hiromi, thankful that she’s alright, regardless of the fact that Noe, his girlfriend is standing right there.
After an awkward ride home and the formalities of calling the police and such, Hiromi and Shin reach their house, Shin’s mom immediately grabbing Hiromi and dragging her off for a talk. Shin goes to chase after them but is stopped by his father, who tells him to let them talk and smacks some sense into him, telling him that there’s no truth to them being siblings (FUUUUUCK ;_;). Shin barges into Hiromi’s room soon after anyways, but Hiromi quickly shoos him away by starting to change.
The next day at school, the rumors have already spread about the accident. The news has caused quite an uproar, theories flying left and right about what really happened. Luckily, Hiromi has Tomoyo and Shin has Nobuse to stick up for them in the face of anyone who hassles them. In response to the commotion, Hiromi is being temporarily suspended, Tomoyo, wanting to be there for her friend, insists that she be given some time off from basketball practice.
But the one who has been most shook up by the accident is Noe, having seen the way Shin acted towards Hiromi that night, she struggles to come to terms with her feelings and his. During school the following day, Shin gets into a fight with a random classmate, a fight which is eventually broken up by Noe, who throws a disgusted look at Shin before turning and walking away. Afterwards, the two talk at the chicken coop where Noe confirms that he was fighting for Hiromi’s sake. After school they take a walk together, Shin updating Noe on the progress he’s made on his picture book, Raigomaru has reached the top of the cliff but is unable to bring himself to fly, he’s scared, scared to come to the realization that he may be just a normal chicken who can’t fly, unable to bring himself to try. Noe wonders if it’s Shin who’s being reflected in his own words, she reassures him that he can fly, however, the place he must fly to isn’t here with her, and with that, she runs off.
Meanwhile, Hiromi attends a meeting with the school principal with Shin’s parents to deal with the events of late, a meeting in which Hiromi is strongly defended by Shin’s mom. When Shin gets back home he’s greeted by Hiromi, who is acting a lot friendlier, going on about how she went to get ice cream with his parents after the meeting.
Furthermore, Shin’s mom seems really sincere about making up with Hiromi, going into her room and having a one on one talk with her where she tells Hiromi that the story about her and Shin being siblings was a lie. She believes that people can sometimes harbor animosity towards others from the moment they meet, and doesn’t expect Hiromi to simply forget all the horrible things she’s done to her up until now. However, she wants to get to know Hiromi better, asking her to let her hang around in her room for a while, the two even find some common ground in their music tastes.
The final cut of the episode is of Noe, looking like she’s on the verge of tears, huddled up in bed.
Thoughts
Ugh, I have no idea what happened, after I posted, my thoughts section suddenly disappeared after a while and I had to rewrite it. This episode is frustrating me in more ways than one.
Well, that just about does it for the Noe camp, we may have had hope in the past, but the inevitability of a Hiromi end is irrefutable at this point. That hug that Shin gave her after the crash was more sincere than any actions or words he’s ever shown to Noe, who isn’t an idiot, she knows what’s happening, even if Shin hasn’t realized it himself. I don’t think the Shin-Noe pair will split just yet though, Shin will probably guilt himself into chasing Noe for a little while longer, but if you’ll look ahead, the title of the 11th episode is: The One You Like Isn’t Me. ;_;
As for Hiromi’s development as a character, she did show some progress in this episode, showing that she can be something other than a lifeless doll in the Nakagami household. As I said before, while I favor Noe, I don’t mind a Shin-Hiromi pairing, as long as it’s well justified, that means a well played out situation that will convince me that the two really like each other and would make a better couple than Shin-Noe, and not just because Hiromi lives with him and is his childhood friend. It may be a predictable end, but at least make it a believable one.
However, despite Hiromi showing some improvement, I still have -A LOT- of problems with her, all of which I have outlined in past episodes and all which remain to a certain extent. She’s still cryptic towards Shin, showing no explicit signs of interest in him and still tries to isolate herself from him a lot, especially in that scene where she ran him out of her room after the accident without so much as a sign that everything was fine and he had no cause to worry.
And the one thing that really pissed me off with Hiromi this episode were her actions right after the motorcycle accident. Jun’s motorcycle is laying in ruin, on fire, and what does Hiromi do? She uses the flames to warm her hands. WHAT. THE. HELL. Poor Jun is standing there probably thinking something along the lines of “Damnit woman, I told you going for a ride in this weather was suicide. How the hell am I going to pay for this” and meanwhile Hiromi is standing there with a happy smile on her face saying that she’s good for taxi fare, using his bike wreckage as a campfire and noting that it’s actually quite beautiful. Wow…just, wow.
But I love how Hiromi still being used as the only fanservice hook in True Tears, I lol every time a random scene of Hiromi undressing is thrown in. True Tears is otherwise devoid of any fanservice, pantsu shots or filler scenes in general, I wonder why Hiromi is the exception to this rule. And people wonder why I keep calling her slutty, heh.
Oh, on that note, nice call by everyone who figured that it probably wasn’t Jun in the preview of the last episode who was with Hiromi. I guess I was so blinded by the possibility of a Noe end that I wanted to justify it by any means possible, which includes the furthering of the Hiromi-Jun pair.
Animation also took a dip in this episode, they used these watercolor-esque panning shots as budget savers, three times I think they were thrown in. I hope this is just PAWorks saving up budget to make the last couple episodes absolutely flawless in terms of technicalities, and not them running out of cash altogether. I would hate to see True Tears crash and burn because it couldn’t keep consistent animation to the end. Though, given the high quality they’ve demonstrated so far, I’m thinking the former is likely the case.
And for my final rant: what is up with the Japanese disciplinary system. Jun gets suspended for two weeks and Hiromi disciplined for getting into a motorcycle accident? One that didn’t happen during school hours or on their property, do they really have the right to do that? I understand the school has their reputation to think of and all, but to be able to reprimand students for actions in their personal lives, especially something like a vehicle accident where they clearly weren’t TRYING to kill themselves, does it really work that way? I guess I wouldn’t be surprised, this coming from the country that allows schools to prohibit their students from taking part time jobs, but still…wth Japan.
The preview for next week continues to shatter all that I consider holy in True Tears. There’s a shot of the Hiromi-Jun couple falling apart at the seams and the mention of what I assume to be Hiromi’s feelings trickling out little by little, not to mention that brief clip of Ai meeting up with Nobuse, suggesting a reunion of sorts. Argh, what’s going on! I repeat, this blows, GIVE ME BACK MY SISCON!
I found this scene incredibly cute for some reason, it’s almost as if Noe was intentionally inflicting physical pain on Shin to make up for the emotional pain that he’s causing her, and Shin just stands there and takes it because he knows he has no right to object. It’s a little early to think that that is what’s really going on in their minds, but meh, works for me.
~ Shirukii ~
Aside: Calawain! You were the only one who saw the post in its entirety before it imploded on me, can you check over my thoughts section to see if I missed anything that was in the original?
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I had a feeling this was coming the moment I first saw the rotation of the girls in the OP…
What is it with flaming motorcycle accident and warming your hands??
I love wide rearview mirrors!
THE LOVE MUST GO ON!
Mmmmm looks about the same off the top of my head, my RSS feed has the old post cut off at the end of the summary too.
Hey! You noticed the rotation of the girls lifting up their heads too :D
Stop calling Hiromi slutty man =w= Is it her fault that producers decide to use her as fanservice ?
I have ever seen you so open about disliking and favoring characters before Shikurii o___o
Especially considering the fact that you kept unbiased about School Days.
Well, the Hiromi thing is expected, they would not have used 6 episodes building up the siblings thing if he was going to end up with Noe. I just hope they will not pull a Canvas 2 D:
It is kind of funny how noe-fans are calling True Tears a failure because they do not get their pairing.
But anyways,
YYYESSSSSSS :D :D :D
Noe is freaking annoying and she is basically ruled out unless the producers want to change 360 back to her :D
Wow…if I seem to recall, there was someone who proposed the theory of the sibling thing being a lie, and I said it probably wasn’t. I feel stupid and owned. ^^;
With everything resolved and all, I’m kinda disappointed that my excitement for the next true tears episode has been reduced from “ANOTHER WEEK!? I’LL DIE BEFORE WE REACH IT!” to “Oh, okay, cool, is this the one where they make out?” I was kind of hoping that a revelation like the “Haha, just kidding” wouldn’t occur until maybe the last few episodes (Despite, you know, us already being in the last few episodes). Also was expecting some sort of Jun and Hiromi moment (like…rape or something. o.o).
To be honest, it’s a lot like how I felt about Clannad, in that we (kind of) know what going to happen, we’re just interested in how it’s going to happen (up until I realized there’s only 24 episodes in Clannad, which isn’t nearly enough time to integrate all the After Story elements, but…). Actually, the same thing can probably be said about a lot of things, but up until now I thought it was unique that they hadn’t done that and had always kept you guessing.
Of course, just like the preview for this episode + the actual episode, things can be misleading. Although unlikely that Noe won’t be the one who says the title of episode 11 (we’ll find out next preview), I’m not going to completely let my guard down.
As far as Ai-chan goes…potentially have an episode dedicated to her to realize how much Nobuse really means to her? With some loose ends tied up and only 4 more episodes, it could happen.
I am not to sure about what I think about this episode.
I can’t figure Hiromi out, her reaction to the bike being on fire, warming her hands, and comments either displays a total lack of contrition for making Jun pull his bike in the snow and getting it wrecked or, reveals that Hiromi possesses a deeply sardonic sense of humor which would make her a better pairing to Jun.
I want to gloat over Shin’s mother change in attitude toward Hiromi but, its just to inexplicable. Hopefully we will get a flash back or something to explain why she so hates Hiromi’s mother or, some explanation why the sudden reversal.
Noe is in the pickle now, she’s going to have to stew for a bit, while Shin works out his true feelings. She may have to write him off, which I don’t thinks she will do. If I was writing this story I would have Noe to push Hiromi and Shin together to bring out a conclusion one way or another.
I’ll pull my hair out if Aiko and Nobuse just reconcile and go on like nothing happened.
4 episodes left…..a lot can happen yet.
Haha you Noe fans can keep sipping your hate-o-rade, cause Hiromi worked Noe’s whole family over this episode. That motorcycle crash was so hilarious on so many different levels, and all it was missing was some marshmallows on a stick. Maybe Ai will give up on Shinichiro after seeing the pure mastery of sneaky womanhood that Hiromi possesses. Hiromi has studied well under her sensei Nakagami-okasan!
I so knew the Hiromi strip was going to be a tease, but major props for having Nakagami-okasan wear the same color shirt as Jun. Seriously, can anything stand in the way of these two? Even Shinichiro’s dad is too scared to stand up against them!
YADA YO! I will forever ship Shin x Noe!
And I’m really pissed off that Jun isn’t more upset that Hiromi trashed his bike. And Hiromi didn’t even have the decency to pretend to be sad or ashamed about it. GUH.
@ Servbot: Wow, that’s some crazy observation skills, I don’t even watch the OP, I just listen to the song while doing random stuff on my secondary monitor.
@ Calawain: Awesome, thanks. I probably should have saved your comment as well, sorry D=
Looks like the culprit was a dead image tag that manifested itself when I made a small edit to my summary.
@ Kaelyn: I loved Canvas2’s ending! lol
About being impartial, yea…I don’t know what’s happening, usually I try to stay purely objective, but my fandom swung so heavily to Noe that I can’t help it. I wasn’t joking when I said that if I ever met a girl like her in real life I’d make a serious grab for her heart. Whereas Hiromi annoys me because she can’t be true to herself and does nothing but send confusing signals to Shin.
But I’m not labeling True Tears a failure because the Noe-Shin relationship is breaking down. As I said, as long as things are done well, a Hiromi end will be perfectly fine, I may be less content with it than had it been a Noe end, but I certainly won’t hate the series for it.
@ RJ: I’m finding myself falling to that as well, I still look forward to Sundays (well, Saturday, now that w.0.0.f always leaks their script on /a/ Saturday nights) it’s just not the same when you know who’s going to win or when there are no more “OSHI-” moments like Ai kissing Shin.
@ Trunkmonkey: Yep, 4 episodes is a lot of time, but I suspect that over half of it will be filled with flashbacks and development for the Shin-Hiromi pairing. The rest devoted to Noe regaining her tears and maybe a short bit on Ai and Nobuse.
@ Kabitzin: Oh, I will, delicious hate-o-rade, must drink.
Man, now I’m imagining Hiromi making smores over Jun’s flaming bike wreckage, which makes me lol and RAGE at the same time.
@ Hopey: Yay, seems like I’m not alone. It’s going to take some insane buildup for me to come to terms with Shin-Hiromi.
Also, sorry about not commenting on your blog in forever, but I’m not watching any of the series that you’re blogging =(
Oh well, I guess my double sis-con was too good to be true, lol. Now one of the only thing I can look forward to is the significance of the chibi kuma-san during the ED.
But still, if the events of this episode - the kids being made fun of for almost being killed in an auto accident and then being suspended for being ridiculed - actually occurs with frequency in Japan, then that country’s bullying problem is out of control, beyond the help of any public awareness campaign.
I would assume Jun wants Shin to be with Noe more than anything, and that should he get mad at Hiromi, it would give Hiromi a reason to leave and thus break the contract between Shin and Jun to date Noe and Hiromi.
Not that it worked. See above pic and preview for evidence.
LOL, Shirukii, do you know what you are missing from this episode?
dont you see there is smoething wrong with Tomoyo?
@RJ: there is no siscon between Jun and Noe if you watch the review and read the rumor flying around. It just as you assume that Jun care about Noe.
I will support Noe until the very end. Sure Hiromi seems to have sealed her victory now, but I have a sinking feeling that this is just he eye of the storm and that the next few eps are going to hit like a ton of bricks. Noe let Shin-chan go, but given how Shin-chan has wavered before I suspect he will waver once again, much to the dismay of Hiromi and Noe.
Now that Hiromi has no more domestic problems, it remains to be seen if she can make good on her feelings now that she is free to do as she wishes. If Shin-chan does waver I wonder how she will take it. I doubt things are going to be smooth for her since questions yet remain. Since Noe’s heart is already breaking I will never forgive Shin-chan if her tears in the end are of pain and loss. It would be far more poetic if she cried for her loss of her dear ba-chan only to regain them from some sort of happiness.
“@ Calawain: Awesome, thanks. I probably should have saved your comment as well, sorry D=
Looks like the culprit was a dead image tag that manifested itself when I made a small edit to my summary.”
MY COMMENT, /RAGE.
It’s not over till it’s over. :3
Yay Hiromi! Though little by little, I’m wanting her to find someone better than Shin. I wonder why Shin’s mom lied about the whole sibling thing? Seems really bitchy and stupid.
Concerning school, that’s just the way it is. School rules and regulations extend beyond school. If any trouble is caused outside of school, the student(s) can be disciplined/suspended/etc because that’s where the complaints go through first, if I remember correctly. All part of the strict socialization and all…
Hell yeah. That was an awesome episode for True Tears. In your faces all of Noe’s fans !!! But actually siscon between Shin and Hiromi is sound nice too. Just kidding.
The first scene when Jun’s motorcycle slipped off. I was laughing so hard. I was like “All of that for just one freaking rabbit. Haha.” And when they got the ride from the taxi and Shin sat in the middle. I was like “That’s a good move,Shin. Otherwise, we might see a cat-fight.” Now Hiromi is like 70% and Noe 30% for winning.
Well, as much as I loved this episode. However, something makes me feel uneasy. In anime, I think the girl that has less chance of winning (right not is Noe) will somehow manage to get back to the main guy at the end. I’m not talking about Aiko though because she’s out of the picture. Oh come one, Shirukii. Even though, you are Noe’s fan this doesn’t mean that episode sucks.
this is some straight bull**** just in the span of a 25min episode everything just imploded. how in the hell is the mother all goody goody now and shin is a beotch. o well what can you it was to be expected. 1st clannad, now this….just wow… T_T
The relationship dynamics changed so abruptly in this episode, I nearly got whiplash. “Hiromi’s not your sister, Shin. And she likes you. And Noe is giving her a wide berth. Now can you pass me the gravy?” If the series keeps up with these rapid-fire changes, I wouldn’t be surprised if the series ends with a Shin/Jun/Nobuse combo. *_*
Props to you, Shirukii, for blogging what I was thinking about the disciplinary actions. Yes, it was stupid for Hiromi and Jun to go motorcycling in the snow. But it wasn’t on school time, it wasn’t on school property, and it wasn’t a school-owned motorcycle. What makes this worse… since my country’s schools embrace abstinence-only sex-ed and creationism, I have no moral high ground on which to stand. *_*
At this point, the ending I’d like to see is for Shin to say, “You’re all insane. Nuts to this; I’m going to hook up with Kyou / Ryou / Tomoyo / Yume / Katome / Yako / Tamaki / Saya / Satorin / Hotaru / Rahzel /Horo / Hinagiku / Mao / Suzu / Kyo / [insert non-emo, non-crazy girl/woman here].” The beauty of such an ending: it wouldn’t be any more abrupt than this episode.
@ Shirukii
*I wasn’t joking when I said that if I ever met a girl like her in real life I’d make a serious grab for her heart. Whereas Hiromi annoys me because she can’t be true to herself and does nothing but send confusing signals to Shin. *
The question is not if you will take a shot at a girl like Noe, it is if you can even recognize one. Cause chances are that there is already a girl like that in your life, but because , like Noe, she is eccentric and takes an acquired taste, I doubt you would have even considered her. Happens all the time =u=
Well, Hiromi has been cautious about her emotions for Shin and the lingering question of , is he my brother? Living with those conflicting feelings while battling the challenges of adolescence can change a person. Thus the alter-personality while at school and at home.
You just have to be sympathetic, if even I can understand and fully take in Hiromis situation, then Im sure your just bashing her weak points.
Noe fans, on the otherhand, keep on talking and talking about her underlying maturity and such. That is what pisses me off, because another way of viewing that is, hidden intentions and emotions while putting on a moe, fan-boy snaring, hidden lolicon evoking, act. So, in a way, she is the same as Hiromi, with less reasoning.
I love you, Kaelyn.
Shirukii, you’re not being fair. It almost seems you’re using a double standard. Hiromi is far from being a slut. The writers/animators just happened to use her for the little bits of fanservice, and all she did was change. Using her as the opening picture and describing her as a slut in the caption for the previous episode was a little bit unfair, because the scene didn’t even happen this one. If you judge a slut like that, then Noe would be too, for walking around in her underwear. Heck, we should ALL be sluts for changing clothes I don’t think Hiromi’s intentionally sending confusing signals to Shin either. She knows she likes Shin, but what can she do about it now? She wishes that she didn’t like him, because it would make her current situation so much easier to deal with. But we all know that’s not how it works, so occasionally her true feelings do show.
I keep seeing all these comments/posts about how if Noe doesn’t win, the show sucks, and they make me laugh. And then there are people saying how the Noe path is completely finished now. If Noe could become girlfriend in seven episodes and get effectively dumped in one, and there are five episodes left, who knows what could happen? For Noe to expect that Shin wouldn’t stand up for Hiromi is very unrealistic and childish. Even without the crushes thing, they were good friends for a long time before that. Like Kaelyn, I’m starting to get pissed that the Noe fans think that she can do nothing wrong, and interpret everything she does in a positive light, while anything Hiromi does seems to be taken as evidence as her being a slut/skank/bitch, etc.
Mrs. Nakagami’s repentance was coming for a while too. She looked like she had something important that she wanted to say to Hiromi in episode 6. She was already looking kind of sorry for what she did in episode 7, so it was going to happen sooner or later.
@ ItAintEazy: Sucks, that ending would have been epic. I knew the gossiping portrayed in anime was accurate, but I had no idea things were this bad, to warrant a suspension from unintentionally causing a shitstorm.
@ RJ: It was never explicitly stated that both ends of the deal had to be upheld though. But I guess if you take Hiromi’s speech last episode in the gym as any indication, maybe that’s what is being suggested.
@ Siva: Tomoyo? Uh…she’s lesbian for Hiromi? I dunno.
@ Crusader: I too want Noe’s reclaimed tears to be of joy rather than sorrow, but alas, the way things are unfolding would suggest otherwise. I’d love a turnaround victory for Noe at the end though, if only to shock those who have been calling Hiromi the ‘obvious’ choice for the entire series (myself included, heh)
@ Calawain: I’m so sorry ;_;
@ Kari: I’m also waiting on an explanation with the whole thing about Shin’s mom. Now that we know it wasn’t because her husband had an affair, what could have possibly led to hate Hiromi so much.
And I understand that you’d get disciplined if you were like…a drug dealer or something, but to be punished because you got into an unintentional motorcycle accident? Strange.
@ kenshin514: I actually lol’d during the crash. Went something like:
- Whoa, watch out bunny
- Holy crap that crash looked bad
- Suddenly, flames!
- lolwut, we’re fine
And hey, nowhere did I ever say that the episode sucked =P
My various “this blows” are merely my feelings on my hopes for the story being trampled on one after another. Those were subjective comments, the episode itself did a fine job pushing the plot forward, just not in a direction that I preferred.
@ proxyman: Yea, I couldn’t believe how hard they hit us Noe fans in such a short time span. Sucks for us.
@ W4: Interesting list of prospectives you have there, though you must take out Hinagiku, she’s mai waifu. Hey, that reminds me, it’s Hina’s birthday tomorrow (March 3rd)
@ Kaelyn: Tha…that’s a valid point actually, I’ve only met one or two girls that fit the description in the past, and they only showed their true colors after I got to know them well enough that they felt comfortable enough letting their eccentricities out around me.
I attack Hiromi’s weak points because she exaggerates them, she doesn’t have to be a drama queen about the whole thing, yet she choses to do so. Last episode when she sarcastically remarked that Shin and Noe were getting along well is a perfect example where her behaviour was uncalled for. Sure she might be jealous, but that doesn’t mean she has to be childish about it.
Not that Noe is perfect either, she’s far from what I’d call mature. She’s stumbling through the whole “love” ordeal just as badly as Hiromi is, but she doesn’t play mind games with Shin.
However, as much as I poke at their shortcomings, I like all three girls in True Tears. Just…some more than others, who then bear the blunt of my rants =D
@ Aurelia: I’m far past the point where I can claim that I’m being impartial. I will fully admit that I have a strong Noe bias, said bias causes me to deflate any wrongdoings she does and conversely inflate anything Hiromi does.
I accepted Hiromi’s mentality in previous posts, the position she’s in is a difficult one. Yet I still don’t think it’s enough to justify her actions, it’s past being confused about her feelings. She sometimes takes her frustrations out on Shin at random, again, using the bathroom scene as an example. Shin had just woken up, said nothing more than “good morning” and she takes a stab at his girlfriend.
However, on the flip side, Noe has her moments as well. Getting angry at Shin for sticking up for his childhood friend was just as selfish. And now that I think more on it, abandoning Shin in the middle of their walk without so much as an explanation as to why was pretty low as well.
I think the problem here is that the girls are assuming that Shin will read into their every action, where clearly he has no idea what’s going on. You have Hiromi who is frustrated that she can’t date Shin due to internal family problems and now Noe who is scared that she’ll lose him to Hiromi. All the while Shin is completely oblivious to both those sentiments.
tl;dr: My Noe fandom sometimes blinds me but neither she nor Hiromi are the poster girls for perfect mature behaviour.
Finally, my comments on Hiromi being a slut are not to be taken literally. It’s lip service to the many readers out there who browse 4chan’s /a/. I’d like to clarify that every time, but it would be tiresome to make it explicitly evident that I’m meme referencing.
Haha wow, these discussions are fun. Blogging. Serious business. I’m truly thankful that you guys (and girls) point out my reasoning flaws and aren’t afraid to get into these exchanges.
Ehhhhhhh!!!!!???????
Boo urns..im not buying it! There’s something still afoot here and it and im not saying anything till episode 13 is dead and buried!!!
Bah!!
Pssh, I’ll never come to terms with Shin x Hiromi if they become a real item. I will be bitchy about it until I die xDD And don’t worry about it~ I’m just sorry I haven’t been commenting here more.
I’ve said it for a while now… Hiromi is the destined… biatch… I hope Noe pulls some kind of miracle but I still doubt it…sigh
I think Hiromi is the endgirl, but I’ll be just as thrilled as all the other Noe fans if she pulls an upset victory at the end. I still think that, far from Hiromi being the irrefutable endgirl, everything is very much in the air.
Even if this hadn’t happened, Shin was going to NEED to confront his feelings for Hiromi once and for all before he and Noe could live happily ever after.
And yeah if he really just jumps ship with no real consideration I can never forgive Shin.
I also won’t claim Noe is perfect, but her imperfections are at least honest. Hiromi seems constitutionally unable to be honest with ANYONE including herself.
@Shirukii
I hope there is a very DECENT explaination for what Shin’s mom did. I fear that it’ll just vanish and never be explained. That just might be my paranoia or my jaded self speaking.
@Kaelyn
Gotta say…you’re awesome. :D
@Aurelia
You’re awesome too. I too have been getting annoyed with “this show sucks if Noe loses”. Personally, that pushes my support to Hiromi. Noe does not walk on water, sheesh.
And just because something changes does not mean “it’s the end”. There are episodes left for things to happen, drama will ensue and it will be one hell of a rollercoaster ride. I don’t care who wins, as long as it remains consistent, interesting and meaningful. :D
Another Shiruki wordblaster moment (O_O )
Here, have an updated picture on me: http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7747/rambokeyboardsk1.jpg
I love kari too.
Seriously, if Noe weren’t visually as “cute”, everyone would call her a fat, ugly weirdo. It’s for shows like these, I remember why I don’t ship. We, the viewers, can try all we want to explain WHY Shin and Hiromi love each other, or exactly why Noe and Aiko like him, but we never will. It just matters that they do love each other, and stupid things happen because of it. w00tness explains it better than I can here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1435121#post1435121
I like really Hiromi as a character, but I’m not rooting for anyone. Like kari, I only hope it’s interesting.
(Reading /a/ right now is pretty funny…)
Hiromi might have seemed like the victor in this episode, but I shall forever be a Noe fan! I expressed my sadness over this ep, primarily because of Noe’s sadness and realization of who Shin has in his heart… but as other ones have mentioned, there are still 4 episodes to go, so A LOT can still happen. I’m keeping my expectations low, to avoid disappointments and more Noe heartbreaks. But I’ll be more than happy if a Noe x Shin ending happens!
>>”Noe fans, on the otherhand, keep on talking and talking about her underlying maturity and such. That is what pisses me off, because another way of viewing that is, hidden intentions and emotions while putting on a moe, fan-boy snaring, hidden lolicon evoking, act. So, in a way, she is the same as Hiromi, with less reasoning.”
OK, I am a big fan of Noe and I also like Hiromi more than Ai.
You are saying that Shirukii just bashing Hiromi’s weak points but how about you bashing Noe’s weak points every single episode? I know that Shirukii has never being impartial nor I did and he even claimed that long time ago. I do not care how you defend Hiromi but bashing Noe because you hate her it is nothing different from what Shirukii did, right? I don’t hate people defend their fav character but at least respect the others. Noe is not a perfect character nor Hiromi did but they both had its own good points.
I went to many forums there are a lot of Noe’s fan said that this show is getting suck because of no NoeXShin. All i can say is they are all brainless, they can only see what is in front of them and they never tried to look further away. A good drama is not just about went straight to the end with a good ending. I will say that i love this episode more than the others.
Siva, spoken like a true anime lover.
Sorry I haven’t been around much, Shirukii, I’ve been all over the place getting buried in school.
Ah well, my presence isn’t normally world shattering anyway. I just attempt to add a comedic twist every once and a while :P
Siva, it’s precisely because Shirukii is the one defending Noe, that we bash her weak points. Seeing someone else attacking a character you like makes you want to defend him/her, right? That’s what you did. If we all bashed Hiromi’s weak points like Shirukii, then this would be a verrrry borrring discussion because we’d all just be repeating what he said.
A: I like Noe!
B: I like Noe too! Hiromi is a $^#$%!!!
C: Hiromi sux!
How long do you think it would take for you to get tired of that and leave this discussion?
As much as I like Hiromi, there are parts of her personality that are ugly too. Same goes for Noe, and though I don’t like her character, I wouldn’t be sad if she ends up being Shin’s girlfriend in the end if the journey there is pretty logical and interesting.
I am hoping for a realistic drama ending for the show because I watch too many dramas (that include live action) and know what I like. By that I mean any of the girls is fine as long as they properly explain the crushing heartbreak and actions of key players. Hmm 4 episodes left…who knows if there will even be a sudden death match.
BTW Shirukii, I could almost swear I heard Astley coming out of Hiromi’s mp3 player earplugs. What does it all mean?… Although I could and have been known to be wrong.
Oh, and need I say more? Final watercolor-esque shot Hiromi’s room, right side:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9203/truetears09finalwaterev2.jpg
I wish to propose a solution which should appease all camps.
All 3 female leads dump Shin flat. He uses his free time and mind to become a pretty darn good novelist.
This ending nullifies the argument over whether or not [insert female lead here] is a(n) [adjective] [noun].
@W4: that’s genius. i guess noe’s tears would then come from Shin’s darn good novels or the animes that are based on his darn good novels, eh?
@Aurelia: I know that you are 100% right but my point is not about how you defend Hiromi or attack Noe. The point is that Kaelyn has gone too far even went as far as to attack Noe’s fan which I have no idea whats wrong with them for liking Noe. You know what, everytime I read Kaelyn’s comments I always feel like she tries to say “Every single mistake in True Tears come from Noe alone.”
I never asked anyone to think of Noe is as a good girl at all but if you want to know how BAD she is, here, your list:
-she is a useless girl.
-she is an anti-social.
-she doesn’t know what or what not to say.
-she think she can read people but she let the guy she trusts the most using her.
-she should have slapped him in the face for dumping her even after he already said “Noe ga tsuki da”
-she should have said it out loud that it is hurt but she can only explained it to him by press his nose.
-instead of blamed him she encouraged him that he can fly but not for her.
Yes, what an idiot she is, and that is what i like about her, is that wrong too?
I like her is not about she so cute, moe, lolicon but for who she is.
Then again, it is not a flame war.
“…Noe was intentionally inflicting physical pain on Shin to make up for the emotional pain […] Shin just stands there and takes it because he knows he has no right to object.”
Pretty sure that’s the idea. Really cute but pretty sad. Noe may be a master at repressing her emotions but she isn’t dumb, and I’m not sure she ever thought that she and Shin were on equal footing. “Is it ok for me to like you more?” Remember that?
Anyway, I dug the hell out of this episode because yet again it did a subtle zig when most people expected a zag, and still managed to keep that dreamlike feeling (and the hand-warming was brilliant — I took it as a subtle jab on Jun, who cares more about his bike than her and is pretty open about that). With the Hiromi-sister thing out of the way, I assume that means more unexpected things in the near future.
As for the “fanservice”/sluttiness question, I’m not sure that it qualifies in my head, I took it more to be an illustration of the whole problem/internal conflict of having a girl you pine after living down the hall from you in your own house.
I still think that the girl at the bottom of the tree was Noe, despite him not really knowing her then. That has to mean something, right?!
*denial*
@ Shirukii
Ahh, I understand what you mean.
My intentions were not to “attack Noe’s fans”, but to offer another point to their perspective. That’s what I love doing, effectively or not, debating with other people using the opposite side of their opinions. About the actual “attacking”, don’t you think that is too much of a strong word?
Also, for the people whom these attacks are addressed to, isn’t the only person you? I think you’re referring to the
” CURSE YOU SHIRUKII AND YOUR SUPPORT OF NOE D:”.
I can understand how you might have misinterpreted it. But what I wrote afterwards had no trace of disrespect of Noe’s fans. (and if it matters anyways, I was joking/teasing you) Otherwise, no, I never really wrote anything disrespect to Noe’s fans. I never asked or implied for you and others to stop liking her. My motto for shipping; whatever floats your boat.
Maybe it is due to your interpretation of my comments?
“I always feel like she tries to say “Every single mistake in True Tears come from Noe alone.””
I’m just trying to balance out your negative comments of Hiromi. But the large difference, is that you are the writer of this blog. You have control over what your readers read, while I am just a commenter. Your comments have much more impact than mine. It is my opinion, that people in your position should try to be as unbiased as possible. Yes I love your quirky opinions, but not if they are distasteful or are scattered and inserted in multiple unnecessary places.
If you could show me how I imply that every mistake is Noe’s causing, then please do so. Otherwise, once again, I think this is another of your misconception of my intentions and your interpretation.
Haha, “arguing” with you, Shirukii, is way beyond my level of maturity. For heaven’s sake I’m only 15! D:
Oh man, I take a break for a day to study for a midterm and this post has seem to have taken a life of its own, the length of which reminds me of the good old “LET’S ALL HATE ON MAKOTO” days.
In any case, this is addressed to everyone: Generally, I don’t take offense to anything, so never fear to voice your opinions, however, remember that I can (and will :3) return in kind.
This particular entry made me realize that I have strayed far from my usual ideal of being impartial. It’s not like I haven’t done so before though, I always have a favourite and bias my entries towards them (Ayu in Kanon, Akari in ARIA, Shana in SnS, etc) but I guess I went a little far this time, haha.
A lot of the discussion is summed up in Kaelyn’s last comment, so I’ll compile things in response to that. (I’m a little too busy to reply comment by comment, sorry guys ;_;)
>> About the actual “attacking”, don’t you think that is too much of a strong word?
Agreed, I’m not trying to get personal or anything, I’m just throwing my opinions out there for all to digest and respond to.
>> Maybe it is due to your interpretation of my comments?
I’d hope not, ever since School Days I’ve known you often like to look at things from all perspectives, I never took your comments as direct jabs at me or anyone else.
>> You have control over what your readers read, while I am just a commenter. Your comments have much more impact than mine.
While I don’t want to give the impression that I stand above the rest of you, I can see where you’re coming from. Just like admins are more respected on forums, the heirarchy is just…there.
But I’d never want my word taken as law or for people to side with me just because I’m the author here. I like to get involved with the discussions I start, not just post the source material and watch from afar as people go at it in the comments section.
>> Yes I love your quirky opinions, but not if they are distasteful or are scattered and inserted in multiple unnecessary places.
Noted, I’ll ease up on slut jokes and the like.
More than the episode itself, this discussion has reignited my anxiousness for True Tears, I can’t wait for episode 10!
Personally, I don’t mind when blogs are biased. I mean, they are blogs - unless it somehow purports to be unbiased documentary, I am going to assume, that an anime blog is going to be generally about shows that the blogger subjectively likes, and his opinions and commentary on the shows will reflect his personal tastes, interests and inclinations.
As a reader who uses blogs sometimes to decide what to watch, finding a blogger who is “unbiased” tends to yield less information than finding a blogger who is “biased” in the same tendencies as me. If a blogger who likes the same kinds of shows I do says he liked X show, I can be fairly certain I will like it too. On the other hand, an unbiased blogger saying he likes a show means little to me as a reader, as there is no connective context with which to examine that like.
Wow, tangent, lol
(Of course, this is slightly different than what you guys are discussing, but this is the train of thought that occurred on my end eventually.)
I have to say, Derek has a well developed point. I’d much prefer to stumble upon an individual’s blog and use their tendencies to pinpoint my own and find shows which I may enjoy.
For Shirukii to state his mind is a sign he has one.
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@Kaelyn & Shirukii: *sigh*
Haha, I love all of you guys :3
Except for you, Siva~
Hee, hee. Noe v.s. Hiromi sparked a minor war here!
Keep it up Shirukii! Your thoughts are the best bit! I’m not sure you should be so keen on Siscon, but whatever, it’s only fictional 2D charactors.
BTW: Don’t you think the drawing of Hiromi stripping is a little odd. Like an hourglass shape, almost severely anorexic, bordering on deformity. This is not at all sexy. They can’t even do fanservice right in True Tears!
>> “Except for you, Siva~”
I am so happy that you stated that one.
OMG!!!! Has anyone seen the School days Valentines day ova!!!!???? Baaaaahhhh
Mmm Sekai