Comments on: Honey & Clover II – 11

By: sapphire dirge

sapphire dirge — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:02:15 +0000

this is so random especially considering i just stumbled upon this page in a desperate search to find something to do while im online

By: cat

cat — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:48:16 +0000

wow im not a yaoi fan but it looks interesting ^^;

By: Podari

Podari — Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:26:05 +0000

I think everybody’s misinterpretation of Shuu’s declaration of love to be done purely for comedic effect, despite him not refuting the misunderstanding at the beginning of the last episode.

My Japanese is not terribly strong, but I do know that it was once considered rude to use the word “love” (ai as in aisuru, aishiteru) and as such people usually use the work “like” (suki), as does everybody who proclaims their love in Honey and Clover as far as I can remember. As such, there is NOT a direct correlation between the word used and love (it doesn’t even strictly mean “love”), much less romantic love.

Even if it did mean love, and I’m sure Shuu meant “love” when he said “like,” I’m certain Shuu meant it in a platonic sense. He cares for Hagu-chan more than anything and is exceedingly protective of her, as though she were his own daughter. In fact, I think this is why most people approach the proposition with disgust.

Fact of the matter is, first cousin marraige is legal in almost all western countries and more than half of the US states, even though there is paranoia regarding birth defects, and I don’t believe it was specified that they were even first cousins. I don’t believe there is any country that forbids relationships with even more distant relations.

Here is some interesting info on first cousin marraige from The Straight Dope: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/041001.html

By: Brian Woon

Brian Woon — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:32:12 +0000

Are Shuu-chan & Haguchan really getting together!!?! I hope it’s just a father love daughter kind of thing. I do wish that maybe Haguchan might give Takemoto or Moritasan a chance. I wonder how will it go in the live action movie? Please tell me that it won’t be like in the anime, Shuu-chan & Haguchan…NOOOO!!?! Zentai dami!!!…orewa dai kirai!!! (T__T)

By: Shirukii

Shirukii — Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:43:36 +0000

Hmm, it’s true that Japan doesn’t see anything particularily wrong with relationships between cousins, but I have been brought up in a society that does view such relationships as incestuous. But! When watching anime, I suspend my morals. I am well aware that these types of relationships are common grounds for drama in anime. (Koi Kaze, Boku Wa Imouto Ni Koi, Da Capo, Kanon, Elfen Lied…the list goes on)
That being said though, my morals in real life dictate that relationships of this type are wrong. But ask Soda and he’ll call me a siscon >_< just goes to show how different a mindset I carry while watching anime as opposed to living out life.
Thanks for the comment!
~ Shirukii ~

By: ggultra2764

ggultra2764 — Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:42:35 +0000

I have to argue against you calling a possible relationship between Hagu and Shuu being considered incest. In Japan, a relationship between distant cousins is not frowned upon. Many other countries in the world, including a good number of states in America, do not consider relationships between distant cousins to be incest. Take a look at anime like Card Captor Sakura. There are a number of implied relationships between cousins in CCS like Tomoyo/ Sakura and Syaoran/ Meilei.

If you really wanted to find an anime which really does feature incest, Koi Kaze is a perfect anime featuring a look at the taboo.

By: Shirukii

Shirukii — Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:50:54 +0000

I genuinely hope that Shuu-chan didn’t mean that he loved Hagu romantically, but that’s what it seemed like. As for her regressing, I say yes and no. Yes she has regressed to a complete dependance on Shuu-chan, but she is far more mature than her beginnings. She is now able to interact with her surroundings apart from her art and seeks Shuu-chan’s help knowing full well the consequences of her actions.
As for NomiyaXYamada, yea they’re pretty much doomed, Yamada seems incapable of getting over Mayama completely, and due to the similarity between Mayama and Nomiya, it just can’t progress.

By: Haesslich

Haesslich — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:22:33 +0000

I suspect part of the problem here is that everything’s thinking ‘incest’ when it comes to the pairing… when from what I can tell of Shuuji, it’s more he’s willing to sacrifice his career to help her, and she’s chosen him because she’s known him all his life and wants to feel safe.

In other words, she’s regressed… right to the very start of the series, when she hid behind Shuuji when dealing with anything outside of her art.

Nomiya/Yamada, on the other hand, seems pretty dead – the reason being that he’s TOO much like Mayama for it to work out. She looks at him, she sees Mayama, albeit a longer-haired cooler version. Even if she gets together with him now, it’s doomed to failure.

By: Shirukii

Shirukii — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:34:40 +0000

Yea, the overpowering feeling that Shuu-chan is like a father to Hagu is largely the fact why it seems wrong, add to that the fact that they are actually cousins makes it that much worse. I’m not really against implied incest relationships, it’s the actual ones that make me cringe. For example, I have no problem with the Asakura pair (JunichiXNemu) but the NanokaXKoshiro pair creeps me out, especially when you factor in the ages.

True that the Mayama/Rika situation has been resolved, it’s just been so long since we saw any concrete development, I’m worried D= As for Yamada/Nomiya, hopefully they get some screentime in ep 12, though I think a conclusion for their relationship is a distant hope at this point =(

Thanks for the comment! You’re our first comment on this host, kudos XD

By: Theowne

Theowne — Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:34:28 +0000

Meh, I don’t really know what to make of Hagu+Shuuji, but the related part of it isn’t what I think is the problem. I mean, they’re basically related, but it’s a distant relation, and nothing like what you have in Koi Kaze or whatever. Personally I think it’s the fact that Shuuji has been basically a parental figure for a long long time that’s weirder instead of their actual blood relation.

And I think Mayama/Rika was basically resolved a while. Not much more to add to it, though I’d like to see maybe one more scene at least of Yamada/Nomiya.